Spoiler This Marriage Is Bound To Fail, Anyway / 이 결혼은 어차피 망하게 되어있다 / This marriage is bound to sink

With Miguel and Leonel, no external force or manipulation occurred to force another outcome for them. Leonel probably does love his wife and chooses to stay with her. It’s his free choice and will. Viviana’s sickness is something beyond her control and she was most likely meant to die from it since nothing ever happens to change it. Everyone has a death date even before they were born based on Catholic Bible. Maybe that’s why Ines and Carcel dying in a way that was not predetermined made their deaths unfated. If Alicia had never made Ines sick and kill her children, then it’s highly likely both Ines and Carcel would’ve lived like they were supposed to just like everyone else. Actually, everything that happened with Ines’s suffering were other people and herself manipulating fate or forcing a different fate. At least, that’s how I see it.

@NohrNeir , yep people tend to forget that the regression is to fix fate. Otherwise, why not just let the characters die and go on to the afterlife. There’s no rule that a person must live a good life. Many people live miserable lives and die miserably unfortunately. However, this story is based on giving chances to live again to fix a person’s fate.

As to “what-ifs”, the story already have what-ifs. Ines lived “ what-ifs” with other people and Carcel lives what ifs without his wife. I honestly can’t take authors seriously who writes what-ifs side stories. I take Kim ChaCha seriously because she really does remind me of genuine authors. Not those ones who write fan fiction based on the whim of fans. I can also see she poured a lot of work into this story. I think she already wrote more than enough about this story that feels complete.

 

ur rightttt but i was imagining more like an another suicidal ending with no man lmao. not like a happy divorcée life, just another tl them going against their fate and horrible ending. i also dont like side stories with other mls for fan service or whatever it’s so silly. i’m glad she didn’t write anything like that.

 

Then she might've regressed again and will be a floating soul waiting to be born in 5th lifetime just as she suspected in the beginning or gone to hell. There is religion in the factor of this story so could've gone either way. Another thing is she already suspected regression is caused by suicide so there might be less likely hood for her to do this this time around. She would be stupid to try again after suffering for so long. She doesn't want memories. I'm sure regression without memories is even better than regressing with memories at this point. If there's a 5th lifetime after she dies naturally, it would've felt better for her but it does give Oscar another chance. Staying in the world would've just given him another chance even if he doesn't have memories. Ines having an ending where she dies naturally with whom she should while Oscar also dies as whom he should allows life to continue. Oscar once views that Juan is not Juan because he thinks that Juan had already left his body after 1st lifetime and his body is now just soulless. But in the case of regression, it seems everyone regresses along with them because Juan is not soulless and the other people are still the same. They're all basically stuck in the world with them just because they regressed. But since they have no memories, in their perspective, it's always their first and only life, so they're just reliving their first life for a long time because of the regression of others, and forgetting is god's grace to them so they don't feel torture for living again and again just because of others' mistakes.

 

Excuse me, i created an account just to ask this... where can i read the IF side story, or like are there any more spoilers after chap 12?

 

You can only read it on KKP (https://page.kakao.com/content/60558550). It's R15 so need some sort of verification. I stopped spoiling it since no one was interested.

Basically the ending was Ines loves Carcel but mistaken that the families wanted Carcel to marry Luciano since she's the eldest daughter and also the only daughter within all 5 dukes, so she's the best female. The parents did brought it up amongst themselves when they were young but it never came to fruition since they can see Carcel loves Ines and Ines loves Carcel. In the end, Carcel never married Luciano and she's looking for other men to marry to trick Ines. Ines who saw Carcel aiming for lower men were upset because she thinks Luciano was the best and even if not Luciano, should aim for better, but Verbeek was older and ugly and lower rank. So he rushed to Escalante's place to talk. He bumped into Carcel along the way and they made out and basically made up their misunderstandings. Juan gave a long lecture to Ines. Ines promised to Carcel that he'll stopped drinking and gambling. They married in the end and Ines gets married into Carcel's family.

One of the misunderstanding they had was with Delfina since Carcel thought Ines was interested in her since Delfina helped Ines during Formente and accepted his flower after Carcel turned him down in public. But Delfina was only interested in Luciano and Ines only viewed her as someone nice. This brought up other issues since Ines had a crush on Isabella and Carcel thinks Delfina is like Isabella (something I've brought up before). but since they talked it out and Ines confessed that she's the one he loves, it was smooth sailing from there.

There's a long flashback in the middle with their past when Ines overheard the parents talking.

The very ending was them sleeping together and Ines and Carcel both dreamt about each other switching genders. Ines was scared of male Carcel since he's larger than him and not cute anymore like female Carcel. Carcel didn't mind female Ines since she thinks Ines is cute either way.

 

News about the manhwa s2 yet please ?

 

We haven’t seen any announcements but Tappytoon has recently been tweeting more frequently about the manhwa so there’s expectation it might return this month.

 

I started reading and I'm obsessed!! Sorry if this was already discussed before, but if anyone can help give more details on what was happening during the scene where Ines inspects for any new scars/injuries on Carcel. I'm wondering what was going through Carcel's mind because he suddenly stopped Ines from continuing with giving him *ahem* a bj The MLT was a bit confusing. This was when Carcel got back after meeting Emiliano and he felt guilty after seeing the past memories and though of course he wanted her, there was some thoughts going on in his head the moment her lips touched his tip....or so at least that's what I seem to be readying with the MLT. Any kind soul who understood this can share more on what this scene was about or provide a little better snippet of translation of this scene? Although it was a little funny that poor Ines wanted to get it on, but was rejected hahaha This was a hot scene, but gosh the emotions our leads had were also on fire so I just wanted to understand more.

 

If you remember what Carcel remembered when he met Emiliano, it'll connect to what he's feeling when Ines was giving him a BJ. Carcel gained memories when he met Emiliano, recalling what Oscar used to tell him in 2nd lifetime, so Carcel knows that Oscar used to force Ines to suck his filthy dick without even washing it after coming back from brothels. So at that moment when Ines was trying to give Carcel a BJ, Carcel realized why he always feel uncomfortable whenever Ines serves him this way. It's been like that since their wedding night and even now. He only lets go of this dislike towards the end of the story so it takes him some time to enjoy when she serves him.

 

Thanks so much!! The MTL was throwing me off haha when I was reading. Yes, that makes more sense! I'll definitely have to go back to re-read. I thought for a moment that my girl Ines wasn't into giving him a bj all of a sudden based on what Carcel was thinking, which I knew did not make sense so I figured I need to ask more about this. I was thinking it was related to memories, but now that you say more it makes so much sense, thanks again!!

 

Ines likes giving him BJs since she likes to turn him on but she doesn't know that while it does turn him on, it's also awkward for him because of that past. But towards the end, he doesn't stop her anymore. In fact when she was pregnant at the ending, she gave him lots of BJs so it appears he's no longer averse to it. But for now, he's still uncomfortable with it and this wasn't the only time since the wedding night, he was also uncomfortable with it and stopped her.

I don't think there's any sex scene where Ines doesn't like something. What chapter are you reading. I'm curious how the MTL is.

 

Agree!! Which is why I was like no way she didn't want to!! Ohhh I can't wait to read that part- seriously love reading spoilers cause they just make me more excited to get to that point.

Here's a part of the mtl I was reading, probably not really good....I'm not sure, but I just used google translate.

Spoiler

As if he were fascinated, he watched the sight of the tip of the thick penis touching her lips. Ines' beautiful face looking up at her from below, on her knees. Ines' eyes, full of obsession and arrogance to push him to the limit and conquer him, the burning vitality in those eyes and the love she had for him suddenly died and disappeared like a hallucination.

Empty, empty eyes. A face contorted in pain. Hatred, murderous intent... .

‘Yes, Ines… … .'

From the very beginning, I acted like this was nothing. Carcel vaguely realized why he had never been pleased with Ines' service. There wasn't a single thing Ines wasn't happy about, so why was it uncomfortable... .

In the early hours of the night, Ines gritted her teeth thinking about the lover she once had, who had left behind those familiar traces. She hated the man who made her accustomed to such one-sided behavior on the subject of her affection. She was resentful of Ines Balestena, who had dared to part her noble lips, and whom her man, who had regarded her as a hole into which he could insert his mere prick, was also her lover. (This part was what confused me...but now that I reread this seems like a memory)

If it was the Ines he knew, she would never have swallowed something from a man she had met for the first time without affection, as if it was nothing special.

Because it was uncomfortable...

 

@dearest I can see where it can get confusing

There was not a single thing that he wasn't happy from/about Ines, so why was it uncomfortable....

During their wedding night, he gritted his teeth thinking about the lover that Ines would have once liked, only leaving that evidence of experience.

Rest are pretty much fine aside from the pronouns.

 

Oh my gosh!! Thanks so much dang what a difference this makes. Glad it's not completely off, but ugh yes those two lines were exactly why I was so freaking confused. You are so amazing!

 

just seen a tweet that tbr will have a physical copy, is it true?

- if it is, is it just in korean or are the english volumes coming out with the raws? will love more info if yous have any to share please!

 

It's true but it's in Korean only so far. It'll be two volumes. Volume 1 will be released late this month and volume 2 will be released early next month.

Spoiler

It doesn't say where it'll be sold yet or how, but I assume you might need proxy.

 

he’s just so… like there’s no way someone’s is enjoying living like this. ugh i just hate him so muchhhhh also i wanna ask was there any mention about reasons him being like this? i know its ridiculous but i just dont remember if there was. he’s just ridiculously disgusting i know but like WHY?

 

Let's just say thanks to the manhwa, almost no one asks about Oscar because he seems so irrelevant in the manhwa... (I'm still upset they cut out almost half the chapter for Ines' POV in the beginning and that chunk shows Oscar.)

There are times I sometimes bring him up because I do think he's an interesting character, especially when we're talking about regression. Oscar was only really dangerous because of that regression. But regression was also his downfall because he couldn't see that he's not all-knowing. I find that funny since he thinks he's so great and even let Alicia drug him just for good sex but that caused his own demise.

His smartest plan was probably separating Ines from her family in a previous lifetime, otherwise, I think Alicia caused more harm to her in all lifetimes.

 

mhm ur absolutely right abt the manhwa. it’s funny cuz he IS important part of the story. sometimes i wish manhwa was more western-ish… you know maybe not the perfect art but more free. maybe more like guardians of the lamb type (i don’t know if you know this manhwa but i’m talking about the style and the topics). cuz it feels like they toned down his story as well cuz of possible general reaction? idk but anyways…
oscar would be more dangerous if he didn’t remember what luciano did to him(which was very satisfying to read i’m sorry) imo. what happened back then broke him a lot ig and his narcissism… i’m telling y’all serial killer behavior. his self centered mindset is the main issue and explanation of all his behavior ig

 

Very true. As you know, I’ve been reading the epilogue this weekend and I marvel at the manhwa because Oscar and Alicia are important characters. They’re the ones who started this whole chain of Ines’s suffering and by extension, Carcel’s and her family’s suffering. Alicia not only destroyed Ines’s children’s lives, she destroyed Ines’s health. All those years of Ines’s suffering and pain made me actually rejoice when Olga stabbed Alicia in her pregnant belly several times and even slashed her hypocritically innocent face. I don’t even like violence but I was glad from the bottom of my heart that Olga butchered her like that in front of everyone at the feast. Alicia had the nerves to visit Ines, who was like a dead corpse, and gloated over destroying Ines’s life and her children’s lives and even slapped Ines several times while Ines was paralyzed because her body was riddled by the disease that was eating away her life. That bitch!. So glad Olga put her down like a rabid dog because that same Alicia thought she was untouchable simply because she was supposedly pregnant with the imperial heir. And to think her malice was over trivial things like Ines had her mother’s love (we all know Olga’s brand of love is abusive) and Ines had Oscar’s interest. Apparently he used to masturbate while thinking of Ines. Nasty S.O.B. That’s why I feel regret that she actually ended up in his hands in the next timeline.

Also very true that separating Ines from her family in that other timeline was the smartest thing Oscar has ever done. He’s indeed a terrible s.o.b. but Alicia…this woman is an entire other level. Glad that Cayetena took her in hand in the fourth timeline and all she could do is pray for death that wouldn’t come.