I mean it is very much in character for Riftan to do this, but it sucks so bad for the child. Even if they were grown up it could feel as though their father took care of them more out of obligation/duty, since once they were independent he chose to no longer be part of his child's life, not to see them thrive and have grandchildren. And that child realising how much pain/agony their father felt all those years and that their love for him (their father) guess wasn't enough. traumatic..
I looked up the contents of the question and answer again. Q. And this is just.. What would Riftan do if they had a child and Maxi died first.. I was curious. I remember saying that I was going to follow Maxi on the assumption that I didn't have children before! A. If they have children, I think they will hold out until they can stand on their own. But I think I'll live in a state of complete emotionally numbness. Otherwise, it will be too painful to bear. Wouldn't the child endure until he becomes an adult and then feel like him going to follow Maxi without enduring the emptiness and despair.
I don't know who gave the answer, but it's very sad either way. And yes, I think Riftan would probably act like that because Maxi is the most important thing to him and in this feeling he also resembles his mother's feelings for his father. Everything repeats itself.
OMG, I'm fangirling over these images!! They are so gorgeous!!! Thank you for sharing them, @tordocantor, they are lovely! About the Reddit post, I can understand where they're coming from, with the concept that since Riftan only has eyes for Maxi and breathes only for her, they think that if she died, he would die with her. Maybe they're using the legend of the Nymph and Wigru as a reference. But if you ask me, I think that it's a bit narrow-minded to assume that Riftan would neglect his duty as a father, especially since their child will be a living proof of his and Maxi's love. Sometimes people state what they believe as an absolute truth to convince themselves of their own thoughts. With that said, as a fellow oakie fan and as an argentinian too, I recommend you to don't get upset about this things. Getting mad will only give you wrinkles for nothing. Just let them be; it's much better for your skin and health to ignore them! Yep, I think the same as you too. Riftan's own childhood was marked by neglect, and Maxi's too, he would never do that to his son or daughter! I agree that Riftan's mom was a poor soul, but I think her main problem wasn't so much that he would never come back. I believe she couldn't overcome the fact that her lover had abandoned her, beyond social classes. If he had truly loved her, he wouldn't have left her, especially when she was pregnant. He even gave a dowry of silver coins to Riftan's stepfather. If that didn't make her realize that she meant nothing to the person who meant the world to her, I don't know what would have. Yes, this suits him to a T, but he will never neglect his child. He would do something afterward, not before his child matures enough to inherit Anatol. Thank you for stopping by and say hello!
ufff I know, I always prepare myself when opening reddit on saturday, but this one took me by surprise I always could but with a link or hosting site! that's why I was wondering why @Spidey1Fan couldn't but I think when I reach 100 posts I can just drop the images here right? I'll try I just needed to vent I knew all of you here would calm me down (but tbh just looking at the first image I shared made the trick, I love it so much ) I think Riftan is one of the most misundertoods characters in the manwhaverse Exactly my thoughts, I think he would want to make Maxi proud if he's reuniting with her in the afterlife
Spoiler: Summary of 142 It wasn't the town administrator to offend Riftan that he is only following orders and then he points finger at Riftan for dwindling down the Duchy and got all his people and now is in dire straits and it Riftan isn't welcomed to the duchy. Maxi upset with anger of this man offends Riftan and if she was tall as Hebaron she would drag him out by collar out of the inn. She doesn't understand why the knights didn't kick him out. She was about to to rebuke him, until Riftan said something. Riftan raised his empty wine glass as a sign that the conversation ended. They are out of wine and ask the barmaid to pour more. The administrator was indignant that he was dismissed and claims of Riftan trepassing their land. Everyone is silent in the tavern and the administrator still chatting of the town belongs to the Duke Of Croyso and has askew him to leave and his noncompliance might be an act of insurrection. Maxi is furious and silence him and defends her husband of him saving the land so many times, protected the East from the dragon and monsters war and he came all the way to save that wretched place and he got a nerve to call Riftan an invader. Still making excuses of following the duke's order. Maxi tells the man to convey a message to her father that if he wants them to leave, he needs to make a formal request to the king, if the king accept his request then they will leave and never set a foot again in the duchy. The man got silent and she points her finger to the door and that if he understood, he can leave. Still nagging of being the town administrator town and she has no right and Maxi in rage that he told him to get out. Maxi out of patience to the knights what has take them so long and she wants that man out of her sight. Hebaron gets up and drag him to the door and throws him to the streets. The administrator nagging and Hebaron tells him, that if he heard his lady want you out of her sight. The administrator feels is an act of oppression and Hebaron tells him, it wasn't and that he should whine to his master. Hebaron suggests the four soliders to leave the inn while they are there. Maxi realizes his intention wasn't to drive the RDKs knights out but to mock Riftan. Riftan has his hands on Maxi and wants her to finish her food, Maxi with emotion saw Riftan with a smile that she had enough and went to rest to her room. Maxi with tears on her bed, she was ashamed of having a man like her father, then she feels strong arms hugging her. She apologizes on behalf of Riftan for enduring too much. Maxi doesn't has to be sorry and doesn't want Maxi to cry. It angers Riftan seeing Maxi upset and he shouldn't allowed the man's mouth to run. Riftan hugs Maxi tight and she is furious that her own father would insult him and she detest the fact that man is her father. Maxi has many reasons to hate her father and what happened today, isn't worth to be upset about, and he doesn't want her to think of an innocent victim and he is right of him being the cause of the duchy decline. Riftan explains Maxi, how he made the duchy to downfall. Riftan didn't did nothing against the law, he only made a bait to betray their lord. Whatever is the reason is, it is something he can't forgive, whatever they tell him it doesn't affect him. Riftan intends to do worse things to the duchy as he wants him to see his empire crumble down before his eyes. He has hurt Maxi and wants him to pay the price. Maxi has no desire wasting her life to revenge against her father, all what she wants is to distance from the Duchy of Croyso. Maxi defended her husband without fear and anxiety, her character growth, I knew Hebaron was going to be the first one to kick out that man. Riftan was smiling as Maxi defended him but she was emotional of insulting her husband who has done alot for them and hates she has a father who is the duke. The Duke can't stand someone with noble lineage has surpassed him. I knew Riftan was avenging for Maxi as he made Maxi live through hell all those years. Riftan hired mercenaries to help serfs to betray their lord and escape to live in his land. Riftan used to live in Croyso and he remembers how his stepfather argued with tax collectors and in the past many couldn't leave and now he founded the perfect opportunity. Riftan must have done an exchange for the serfs betraying their lord. The Duke needs to see his empire crumble down before he dies, he is now paying all back of all the damage he has done. Maxi doesn't care for revenge as she knows it doesn't bring good, all she wants to go back to Anatol and be with Riftan. She doesn't care what happens to Croyso nor will she care for the inheritance and I doubt her father will put her in the will as she doesn't care about her and has always seen Maxi as a useless person.
As a women in strong need of a man like Riftan, the arduous intensity in which he loves maxi moves me deeply. He literally built himself up to be worthy enough (In his eyes) to maxi, to serve her the world on a silver platter. As it is, Rif doesn’t think he’s done enough to deserve maxi, whose lineage would’ve made her a Roem princess if the empire hadn’t fallen. It’s just so touching how he cherishes & treasures her. This is why their love story surpasses (imo) all- if not most of the fairytales out there.
Hello, angels, happy Monday from Indonesia. By the way, I'm interested in the question how if Maxi died in childbirth. Hmmm, ...I believe Riftan wouldn't remarry. Perhaps, he might send their children abroad or outside Anatole to study. Or, another scenario is Reuben might adopt their children. Oo, I'm sorry, I wonder why the forum is a bit difficult to be accessed. We need to log in again. And, I need to search for Under The Oak Tree in the search box. Perhaps, some of you know the easier way to access the forum? Thanks a lot.
I don't think Riftan would send his child/children abroad to the study, he might have tutors at his home and educate them. I don't see King Reuben adopt them and Riftan wouldn't even allow it as he doesn't want his children to be part of royal life, he has seen, how obnoxious can be. If Maxi died during childbirth, I believe he would never remarry, he has only had eyes for Maxi, he would die loving her.
You wrote it so beautifully! And I totally agree, they both cherish each other so much, it's truly moving @MARSEA12 Maxi was such a force of nature this chapter, she really had that stupid man thrown out. And Riftan consoling her in her anger/frustration GAAAAHHHHH! sharing another illustration I came across on twitter so that we forget all the death talk, yes the topic I brought up lol Spoiler Ahhh.. I can't help but smile seeing them like this
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!! I believe Riftan will break the cycle of abandonment he experienced from his own mother and provide a loving supportive upbringing for his own children that he didn't experienced. If he didn't have children, he might be tempted to search for Dark Magic to try and bring Maxi back, much like Jon Snow's resurrection. That would be interesting. I believe Riftan will break the cycle of abandonment he experienced from his own mother and provide a loving supportive upbringing for his own children that he didn't experienced. Hmmm, if he didn't have children, he would look search for Dark Magic to bring back Maxi. I mean it worked for Jon Snow. That would be interesting. I enjoyed reading this chapter. I felt so bad for Maxi. Even though she made a big step defending Riftan, she has bad trauma and shame from her evil, despicable Father. I don't blame her for just wanting to keep a distance. The best thing to do from abusive narcissists. I want to see Riftan beat the living #### out of him again!
Good Morning dear Angels around the world @Solcito: That's true, but in my opinion she was very insecure either way about her background and being abandoned. So she never got over the fact that he left her alone. @SinFulHun; You're absolutely right, it's (among) the most beautiful love story I've read and full of emotions. By the way, I think (almost) all of us would need such a great man like Riftan. @athena1979: A happy good morning to you dear Athena to Indonesia! @marsea: Thanks for sharing your new spoiler....and I share your opinion 100% about Riftan's gripes regarding children and non-remarriage! I've had a little fan picture of your last spoiler for a while now, which fits very well with this spoiler chapter, I think (at the bottom of the text!) @Spidey1Fan: You're right, however, Riftan did very well by slowly nipping the Duke's "money tap" and the growth of his duchy in the bud. In my opinion, this was the right move by Riftan. He “killed two birds with one stone” (done two good things at once). The Duke has a dying duchy and Riftan's Anatol has become almost the richest country within the Seven Kingdoms. Even the king is suspicious of this, which personally makes me very happy, because I despise Reuben. MAXI FULL IN ACTION !
The webtoon of UTOT and the novel I saw alot of differences after she was done discussing with Riftan, Maxi goes to her room and have all this negative thoughts about herself, then leaves her room and to do something so she doesn't want to lean on those thoughts. Where as in the webtoon she has all those thoughts in the garden, and then goes to help heal a knight.
Yes thats right. I also dont like it that the artist change Maxi’s dialogue, after Riftan said “Im going to make u feel being married to me is better than being married to other noble” and in the novel Maxi replied “I’ve already felt that way” but this dialogue is omitted from the webtoon.
I noticed that as well. I think that the artist often focuses on trivialities instead of the important things in the dialogue. But we have to be satisfied with that, because overall it's pretty good. That's the difference between a novel and a picture story, the novel cannot be surpassed because it contains all the details.
Hello from California! @Selina-may I completely agree! Riftan did the right action to take revenge on Duke Cryoso. It's the perfect revenge on an evil narcisisst. Narcisissts thrive on power and have zero empathy for others. Taking away their power is the ultimate revenge. I love Riftan because instead of resorting to self-sabotage in response to Maxi leaving to Mage Tower, he took proactive steps to improve his circumstances. The reason Riftan and Maxi lost the mediation (the undesirable outcome = lost IMO) was because Riftan didn't have power and boy did he sure turn the cards around. I hold Riftan in high regard because he managed to overcome significant hardhips and transofrm his circumstances throughout the books. * My wish to see Riftan beating up Duke Cryoso again was just for my own personal satisfaction. * I like Reuben as a character. While I don't like Reuben as a person, Suji Kim wrote his dialogue and character well. His actions are well-structured and I thoroughly enjoyed reading his reactions throughout the mediation. I love the mediation chapter! The mediation reminds me of the court trial of Tyrion Lannister from "Game of Thrones". I was on the edge of my seat in anticipation. Hello @athena1979 If you are using a desktop or laptop try to bookmark the forum page on your bookmarks tab on the top right corner of your screen. It should be an icon in the shape of a "Star". I believe the forum automatically signs out when you are not active on the page. I have to log in each time. Try to use autosave for your password so you don't have to type your password each type to log in. Hello @athena1979 If you are using a desktop or laptop try to bookmark the forum page on your bookmarks tab on the top right corner of your screen. It should be an icon in the shape of a "Star". I believe the forum automatically signs out when you are not active on the page. I have to log in each time. Try When I first read the previous episode (#78) I totally thought the entire garden dialogue was going to be omitted so I was really happy that wasn't the case. Overall, I'm really impressed how close the manhwa follows the novel.
Spoiler: Summary of 143 Maxi was going to try to argue with Riftan but then he tells her if he doesn't do something, he will do the same thing again to him and he doesn't want to be helpless again. Maxi knew Riftan was talking about the meditation and if he stopped his revenge her father wouldn't leave him alone and she is assure that his father was ploting against Riftan while she was in the mage tower. She feels guilt of what trials Riftan has gone through for her sake and her father has made her whole life a nightmare but it meant little her but if her father would do something that will anguish Riftan she would never able to forgive him or herself. Maxi questions him if he ever suffered for marrying her? Maxi is opening up her inner securities to Riftan in depth. Riftan had to go so many irdeals for being married to her and what could've been if he married someone suitable for him. Riftan wants to know what she means who could be more suitable for him. She explains a woman who can support you as your always called for war, close to the seat of Anatol and how he is invested in trade and she could assist you and as he is tall a woman who taller like him and is more beautiful and confident. While she was getting true feelings out, she felt like she was hurting herself and someone without scars would been suitable for him. Riftan tells her that she strives to protect others and despite her scars, he finds her endearing. Riftan has been drawn for long to Maxi and the moment she saw was seeking someone to hold and protect, Riftan yearned to be that person. Maxi wanted know for how long as always Riftan never opens up to Maxi about his past and Riftan tells Maxi he is the only person he will ever love and there's no other woman like her. No other woman surpass her beauty, Maxi fear there's something wrong with Riftan eyes, how could Riftan say that to her when princess Agnes and Rosetta are the epitome of beauty off all of Wedon. Riftan tells that she is adorable. Maxi should forget everything her father has told her and that she is the bravest, noblest and most beautiful girl he ever known, she should believe her. Whenever she stars having doubts about herself and to tell him what kind of person she is, he say many times as necessary. Maxi trusted every word Riftan said to her. Maxi is naked in front of Riftan, then enters in the bathtub, then Riftan enters to the bathtub and are bathtub sex. While doing it all her anger of her father and the anxiety about the war was forgotten as she was immersed with pleasure. The next day they March and go to other inn but didn't face hostility as the first inn and people were welcoming as the knights were there to fight monsters and the innkeepers were glad to fill the guest rooms. The duchy knights mirrored the town administrator behavior but they couldn't do nothing to oppose the council decision or turn back and couldn't penalize the duke vassals insolence. As Maxi was riding she had to contain her rage, and her hatred for her father grew as she rode to the duchy towards Lexos mountains. Maxi opening up in depth her inner insecurities to Riftan and him assuring her she is the only one he has eyes for. Riftan has longed for Maxi since he was 12 but she doesn't remember that happy memory due to her trauma and asked Riftan, "for how long? As always Riftan never opening up. All what Maxi said made me emotional but it made me teary if she didn't had scars. I believe she said that she wouldn't have insecurities and will be more confidence in her relationship with Riftan. Riftan must see Maxi as the most beautiful woman of all Wedon and why would people see other girls be beautiful than Maxi. Maxi what matters the beauty is inward not outward and that what he saw in you that you had and what Rosetta and Agnes lacked. Rosetta is beauty outward but not inward, can't say much for Agnes. Maxi is trusting more husband and both have grown in their relationship. Maxi is being more confident being naked in front of Riftan. Both do bathtub snu snu but it wasn't described their lovemaking in detail and is up to the readers imagination how it went. While riding the duchy towards Lexos mountains, Maxi must have seen how her father treated his people under his command and how much suffering Riftan and the RDKs went through of fighting Sektor and the hate she has for her father is justified. While she was at the Tower her father send assassins to kill Riftan but he trampled over them. Riftan had to gain power so he never again feel helpless or Maxi doesn't go way or sacrifices for his sake, it was due to his weakness in power why Maxi had to leave. Riftan must love Maxi courageous attitude.
@Spidey1Fan, right, that's how I see it too and I can understand that you want to make the Duke suffer even more. But it's certain that if Riftan did it, he would be sued again and then everything would be in vain, that Maxi went to the tower and so on. Dying alone would be the ultimate punishment, I think. You're right about King Reuben, if only because KSJ described him in a very real way, how aristocrats are/were. I just reject those types of people, that's all. I think a little differently than you, I would like to see Reuben suffer because he took advantage of the knights and especially Riftan and didn't treat them properly. I especially remember this "character" laughing at Maxi's miscarriage, that bastard. @marsea, a nice good morning to you and thank you for delighting us with a new Ch. spoiler. You wrote that beautifully. Have a nice day to all of you angels and kind regards from North Germany
Thank you @MARSEA12 for the buying another privilege for this month, it is very costly and we know you are doing it in order to spoil us. We really appreciate you..
Wow, this chapter literally had me speechless and moved. I never thought Maxi would open up fully her deepest trauma and insecurity to Riftan. Riftan consoled Maxi perfectly and I give him an A++++ for best husband of the century. Will Riftan every open up to Maxi? Does he even need to? Riftan seems all he needs is Maxi but he needs healing too right?