Spoiler This Marriage Is Bound To Fail, Anyway / 이 결혼은 어차피 망하게 되어있다 / This marriage is bound to sink

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  1. alpineibex

    alpineibex SIUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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    Most of those haters never cared about Ines' POV, they're too interested in her aloof appearance than her thoughts (plus the manhwa already cut a lot of her thoughts). Because they don't care about her POV, they don't understand why she needs playboy Carcel for her own plan, and why Carcel was manipulated into sleeping around.

    I'm sorry, but he didn't love Ines when he was chosen as the fiance. He grew to like her later, but he was manipulated into sleeping around. And he was manipulated since he was 6, so he didn't even know he was being manipulated, not because he was in love that he let her manipulate him. If you read later, you'll find out that as more as he loved Ines, he stopped her from manipulating him.
     
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    Yeap, thank you, I'll continue reading.
     
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    Carcel was a little boy when he was manipulated and brainwashed. Didn't you read what I shared? Ines been using him since they were 6.

    This shows it.

    She said she's been plotting for 17 yrs. She said she made him run in circles. She said she make him not interested.

    This pov is very early like before they married so that should mean you alrdy read it.

    Even the pov that show Carcel(6) listening to her was that part right before they ran away from Oscar(10). At the end of that part, Ines was ordering him around and pointing things for him to get. He didn't know why he listen but he still listen. He was not a man in love. He was a boy who like Ines and didn't know and just listening to her and didn't know why. This set up their dynamic and it hint to how it went for yrs til present day when Ines got mad bc Carcel suddenly stop following her plan.

    You should've read all this alrdy bc this way early like ch3-28

    You should probably reread from beginning bc you missed a lot of understanding between them.
     
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  4. moonlight07

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    Guys, I think I need to reread this novel from very beginning. I just сompared this translate with mine (which I've read). They missed some moments. :(
    That's why I couldn't get them properly.
     
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    Omg that suck. No wonder. Yeah, this novel got so much detail. Even the official tl cut some sentences bc there's a lot but they're all so important.
     
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    Heeeey. Yeah been busy :cry::cry::cry: still busy but almost finals :love:

    Most of us don't think it cheating but not everyone like that. It's easier to just say he cheated cuz he needs to cheat to be w/ Ines again or she wouldn't have stayed engaged w/ him. The author say she lower her guard during the time he was sleeping around so I think Ines get to just focus on her nightmare and didn't have to worry her plan not going as plan. Ppl dont think about the overall reason for it and only get mad at a short instance cuz there's reason to everything and you'll only know with spoilers or if you read far enough. Like a lot of things wouldnt have happen if he didnt cheat but cuz some things meant to happen he got to cheat anyways so no harm no foul.
     
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    Wow, you described well. Thank you!
     
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    It's about a fated romance so thats why I say some things meant to be. Theres the whole destiny and fate going on in the background. It not just cuz. It meant to happen cuz the story about their fate. They were meant to be together so things just happen for them to end up together.
     
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    Do you think they were fated and destined to be together. No matter in which way and under what circumstances? And that's why they spent 3 lifetime to be happy together?
     
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    It's not wat I think. It's the truth.

    They were originally married in 1st and broken ring mean their fated marriage was broken so Ines go thru 2 bad lifetime 2nd and 3rd cuz those guys she chose in those lifetimes not meant for her
     
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    Hmmm, that's why this novel has heavy plot and complexities. I didn't know that this novel has such a depth.
     
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    Go read pg1 toc

    I think @NohrNeir would explain it better than me. They spoil most of the stuff there

    This novel got more depth than even CEBIUB imo
     
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    It all started from Ines' bad wish just bc she didn't think she was good enough for Carcel so she wanted a life away from him to let him marry a better wife and have children with her. Carcel always want Ines to be happy so his wish was to let her choose other men if they can make her happy. If no, he want another chance for her to choose him but she was only choosing for a playboy bc of what happen in 2nd and 3rd lifetimes.

    Here were there wishes
     
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    Ahahaha, agree i don't want to deny)

    OMG!!! I got goosebumps what an emotional wishes. :cry:
     
  15. NohrNeir

    NohrNeir rereading frenzy

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    The background and world they're set in is based heavily on Catholicism/Christianity. Predestined death and even couples were prearranged to some degree. Everyone who married their intended always have the same children throughout all lives. The children bore from unintended lives die early because they weren't meant to be and life will regress to fix the order of the world. Ines' children always died early in all lifetimes because all her 3 previous lives weren't following fate. In her 1st lifetime, she married the right guy but she died un-predestined so her 3 children all die fast. In her 2nd lifetime, Oscar wasn't her intended, so all her children weren't meant to be either, same with her 3rd lifetime where she wasn't meant to be with Emiliano and the apostle even warned her that her life wouldn't fare well.

    It was said in Catholicism that children who die early return to god early. Life and death are the natural things of the world. In this novel, death isn't meant to be feared. It's just natural. You live to die but you should never just live only to die and Ines learned to also enjoy living even if all human live to die, so even at the end of the novel, at the very end of the side story, Ines and Carcel look forward to their death together holding hands because they know they'll live a happy life before they reach their goals of finally dying for real.

    So when we say Ines and Carcel are fated together, it is indeed so because they were meant to be together to bore the children they were intended to bore and die together as intended. It can be noted no matter how many times life regressed, everyone else always end up with the same spouse except for the ones who tried to change their intended lives.
     
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    “Cárcel, I look forward to the
    eternity when we close our eyes
    together.”

    “In a hundred years?”

    “Mhm. In a hundred years.”


    So they promised their final hundred
    years. Still, he decided to hold her
    hand in advance from now on.

    He took her hand. She also took his
    hand.

    In the midst of such a fulfilling
    life.

    :bloblove:
    rereading the very ending again

    Do you think they'll die together this time tho? I think Ines die at same time with Carcel in 1st cuz she kept praying for it but we dont know. Imo I think theyll die together in 4th too. I hope so.
     
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    I think so too. She said when they close their eyes together. I think her wishes from that time also will be answered this time bc all her other ones did :blobokhand:
     
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    Not in 100 yrs tho. Theyll be like 127? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    They not only cut, they literally make up stuff. Last week, I showed @NohrNeir the part when Ines talked about men who would cheat on their pregnant wife and their translation said that Emiliano only pursued one love at a time and he’s the exception to all the rules. Ines didn’t say that in the original. What she said is all Emiliano knew was painting. The part that matches the original novel is when she said he couldn’t betray her because he was too poor.

    Of course anyone who read Carcel and Ines’s first life know it’s hogwash that Carcel would cheat on his pregnant wife. He lived in Calztela in the first life during her first pregnancy while she lived in Esposa. That meant they lived apart even though she was pregnant within a month after their wedding. They only had sex maybe three times over two years. Not once did Carcel cheat on her even when they separated and even when she was terminally ill for years. He didn’t have sex for all those years. She knew it too because she knew how faithful a husband he was to her.
    I think they will die together especially if they pray for it. Ines’s prayer to die together was answered in the first timeline. She didn’t want to live in a world without Carcel so when he died, she also died. I think it pretty much shows that it can happen again if they want to die together. I think they will die together just like they live together. This time around, even with Ines as governor and Carcel stationed where she is, they just seem inseparable to me. Most importantly, I like that she says when they close their eyes together in speaking of their future deaths.
     
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    Ines don't know that but she has a very equal view of all men even Emiliano. He wasn't so special that she didn't think he wouldn't cheat before. It's so upsetting that this novel gets bad official translation. We can't even have proper discussion with anyone bc no one on the same page. There's the manhwa adaptation with so much cut, official novel tl with made up stuff, the mtl readers, and the fantl readers.

    Wouldn't mind if they live that long. They got to see there emperor grandson :blob_grin:
     
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