Spoiler This Marriage Is Bound To Fail, Anyway / 이 결혼은 어차피 망하게 되어있다 / This marriage is bound to sink

I personally think it's getting better now that the official novel translation is at the stage when Ines accepts Carcel so she no longer thinks against him for the translator to inflate those thoughts even more negatively. An example is whenever Ines thinks of Carcel as a playboy or womanizer, the translator is sure to inflate those thoughts rather negative whereas from what I read, Ines thinks of those thoughts more pragmatically to talk herself from falling for Carcel. Another bad take is always giving the painter positive words that didn't exist in the novel.

Just an example is how in some recent chapters, the translator was using words to say how Carcel's innocence and sweetness reminded her of the painter. "Innocence and sweetness" were not words that were used in the raws. In the raws, she called Emiliano "strangely nice" and thus she felt Carcel's niceness as also strange due to her own experience of not having many nice people around her.

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Raws and my translation

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This is honestly so cringy. Not once when I read the novel did I get the impression that Carcel’s kindness, as a part of his personality, is anything like the painter’s. I can understand Inés saying that “the way she was treated” by both men was somewhat similar but to say that they possess a similar ‘innocence and sweetness’ is so misleading. This is why those who read the official will mostly come away with a different version of the characters.

 

so i have neither the energy or patience to sift through 215 pages lmao, i remember first getting on this spoiler thread when it was at like 117. basically can anyone point me in the direction of the events leading up to and during the war arc where Carcel "dies" in the current TL? i saw the letters but like a detailed summary somewhere in this gigantic spoiler thread that lays out the events leading up to, during, and after Ines finds out he's been "killed". any help would be appreciated i honestly just wanna read up on it because i want to take a glimpse into how she's holding up and reacting to it.

 

The whole summary is on pg1.

 

Wow no shit thanks

 

You said you don't want to go thru all 215 pgs for spoilers. The summary of the whole novel is literally on the 1st pg. There's no need to "sift through 215 pages."

The spoilers on the other pgs are also all in the toc in the 1st pg so still don't need to "sift through 215 pages."

 

From today’s manhwa ch:

Spoiler: Ines shed tears remembering the past with Luciano and Carcel

Spoiler: Ines pre-Oscar self greets her current self

MTL says her former self tells her current self that she missed her.

 

Since we are now at page 215 of this forum, I just want to say, Chapter 215 - 218 of is novel is just * chefs kiss *

 

That part one of my favourite part in novel when Ines ran to him and hug him. I just hope manhwa don't ruin that part.

I imagine it like the prologue when she ran to him and he had his arms open.

Like if that scene not as good as prologue then it'll be disappointing.

 

That’s one of my favorite scenes as well. Hope they don’t ruin it even though I try to keep my expectations very low. It will take a while to get to this chapter though. Apparently the manhwa will be on hiatus for 4 weeks due to health issues of the storyteller.

 

There are many parts in the novel that I love even before 215 and the manhwa ruined it so I'm not really looking forward to anything. I'm sure @Celebrianna must be glad the manhwa at least kept the part where she had an inner monologue of how she felt within the boundary when with Carcel. But I do have a friend who isn't even into BR loved that scene when she ran to him. I just don't think it'll reach the prologue level in the manhwa @PattyCakes since you can see the amount of details that had gone into the art in the beginning and now, it's definitely way lesser detailed. The weekly release is tough on the artist but also, I do notice there are certain preferential characters that just get more care in the drawing than others now.

 

hello never expected this to get over 200 pages omg time to catch up on discussions lmao

 

Just pgs and pgs of complaints and a few things we do like

 

After finishing my read

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ngl a hot take even to my damn self but this one of the few story where I went go girl to damn girl you don't deserve him a bit.

 

And then you see manhwa readers thinking novel readers are toxic for defending him so much. There a reason why we defend him so much. He deserve to be defended when Ines was more in the wrong but he get the most hate smh

 

As I've mentioned before, I don't really think on whether one deserve the other or not when the other loves them so much. Maybe if you just think of it as Carcel is such a good guy that he deserves what he wants and if he wants Ines, then just be glad Ines loves him too. Ines does have a difficult personality but I think even she had felt Carcel deserves better than her. The thing is, she's come a long way of character development and improvement so that he can have a better version of herself. She acknowledges her change as linked to him and is forever grateful to him. Whilst we don't always get her reflections since she hates reflecting on herself, the few times she does reflect does show her change. Anyway, Ines was never meant to be written as someone good. The author even tagged her as selfish and Ines herself prides herself in having a bad personality. For someone who is proud to have a bad personality, she tries to become a better person because of Carcel. She tries to be nicer to his family. Even when we think about how she used to not care about her servants, she started to think about them more after being with Carcel. So while she wasn't a person of the best character in the beginning, I think with her change and how much she does know that positive change is because of Carcel, she does deserve to be with him just as much as he deserves to be with her.

But I do wonder, if you are really male, maybe males see his side better. I used to have a male reader on my blog when I was translating this novel publicly and he also thought Ines doesn't deserve Carcel. We ended up agreeing to disagree. A lot of readers of ropan are females so we see many haters are due to because they're only seeing Ines' side as she is the female main character. The novel shows both sides equally so it shows Ines' flaws better while we do also see Carcel as the better person most of the time. Even Ines knows he's the better person since she does want children with his personality as he's easygoing and nicer. Carcel likes her bad personality though so it's fine. It just goes to show that even people with difficult personality does deserve love. Ines isn't a bad person per se, just difficult, and I think the novel shows that better. There are many things from her character that wasn't shown well in the manhwa, especially how noble she is and how selfish she is. Nothing wrong with those traits but I think if it was portrayed better in the manhwa, people would not like her as much. I've also seen many excuse her indifference as trauma-driven but her indifference was a characteristics of hers even before she had trauma. She had always been selfish and indifferent to most people. Just how she interacted with Carcel at 14 goes to show that.

I defend him because many excuse Ines while hating on Carcel. It's one thing if they're upset at Ines as well while also getting mad at Carcel, but there's an imbalance. Especially knowing that Ines was the one who caused him to sleep around which was what garner all those hate. No one says anything about Ines making him sleep around. Everyone just ignores that fact. It doesn't help that the manhwa cut out so much of that. Also if you know the whole story, you'll know he wouldn't have slept around at all if not for Ines because in this novel, all characters have some innate characteristics to them that drives the fate. When I think of his previous lives and how he always loved her, even in the 1st lifetime where he married her early and was always loyal to her, it begs the question, who was the one who strayed more, especially when Ines was the one who chose other men before returning to Carcel. Knowing all this, I just can't take any people who keep taking a jab at him while excusing everything Ines does when she's not faultless. The only thing is, I don't really hate her for her faults and I do acknowledge her change. We always see a contrast of different character's reaction to a similar scenario and when we see how much Ines can change while Oscar who also had memories and couldn't change, she's definitely a better person.

 

If you self insert yeah, no one will want to admit they're the bad person. Ines admit it but they not self inserting to let Ines be herself.

 

I remember telling a manhwa only reader about Ines being prideful about her bad personality and how she’s the one who actually needed a character development. The manhwa reader got mad at me and called me a misogynist over that

 

Those people don't read the novel so they don't know her well and the manhwa cut out a lot of her actual personality so they just insert what they wish her to be even though she's far from what people assumed her to be. I've even seen someone mentioned that they like her because she's nice and cares about her servants which was funny because it was mentioned that she didn't think about her servants much before until she lived with Carcel.

Also saying a female character needed character development is not misogynist. It's crazy how everyone just throws that word around all the time now just for calling out females for being wrong. Both men and women or anyone of any gender can be in need of character development and being female does not mean you're faultless. I'm female and I clearly have some faults to me as well.

 

Hey @NohrNeir, a while back I saw the spoilers of what happens to with Cárcel and Inés kids in the future (who they marry for example) but can't seem to find it again. So I was wondering if I could have a link to that, and if I may ask a question. The question being, how do Inés and Cárcel react to Ivana wanting to marry the Crown Prince, and if it was a love match?